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THE 18TH PHARAONIC DYNASTY OF EGYPT: IS THERE A LINK TO JESUS?

Few would acknowledge, given the state of our society's technological expertise, that our understanding of history could be significantly inaccurate.

During and after my years in Seminary and during my early years of my pastorate, I became interested in the deeper hidden origins of Christianity and decided to do some further reading on the "famous Rabbi Yehoshua" from a Jewish perspective. Reading "outside the box" and "Christian viewpoint" I found, much to my dismay, that there was no historical evidence of this Rabbi Yehoshua outside the New Testament from the time in which he was supposed to have live. I was shocked to find that there is absolutely no unaltered or unforged historical evidence that Jesus, Joseph or Mary ever existed, let alone that Joseph was a carpenter or that Jesus was born in Bethlehem and lived in Nazareth. Amazing to me is that the more I studied the more that I encountered unbelievable parallels to the "the Jesus Story" throughout most of these ancient nations and their religious literature from Egypt own down to the emergence of Greece and Rome. It seemed that the story of "Jesus" had been told almost identically over and over again for thousands of years prior to his assumed historical birth.

Answer for yourself: If Jesus was not an historical person, where did the whole New Testament story come from in the first place? As my studies finally took me to Egypt I found the genesis or core of all later "Jesus Stories" when I encountered the Osiris, Isis, and Horus myth. As shown on prior websites of this ministry the very basis for the "Jesus Stories" we find in the New Testament are the personifications of the Sun in its path through the Heavens and the Zodiac. From these observations of the moments of these orbs by the Ancients patterns and cycles and laws were recognized and represented in the form of legends and myths to capture for all time the hidden message in such movements of the Creator as He wrote on the blackboard of the Sky. But here was more. What I found as well is that among these Ancient myths and legends, mixed in with this "Osiris-Jesus" story we find the shadow of a historical truth that goes all the way back to Egypt as well. I discovered that if you want to find the "historical Jesus" then you have to look to Egypt once again and the Pharaohs of the 18th dynasty. This will become plain to the reader as we study the 18th dynasty and see how the truths surrounding it, although jumbled today, can be sorted out and in so doing we find the true historical reference to a "King Jesus" hidden in Ancient Pharaonic history. Let us see this unfold as we study.

Answer for yourself: Have you ever noticed the similarities between the two Biblical stories involving Moses, Joshua (Jesus), a mountain, and a tabernacles; one in the Old Testament and one in the New Testament? First of all we need to understand that the word "Joshua" and "Jesus" are interchangeable. That being said then we need to ask which on the surface appears to be a "far out" question. Could these two stories be "doublets" or be regarded as different versions of the same events?

Answer for yourself: What is a Biblical doublet? In literature dealing with Biblical rhetorical structures, doublets are usually referred to as rhetorical parallelism or synonymous parallelism which is characteristic of the Hebraic language.

Most of our readers will more than likely jump the gun and say without a doubt that these New Testament and Old Testament "doublets" are different historical stories separated by great lengths of time and assume that I have lost my mind. But I assure you that there is more here than meets the eye at first glance. Let us see the evidence.

In the New Testament account of the Transfiguration if recorded for us in Matt. 17:1-5

Matt 17:1-5 1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, 2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. 3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him. 4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. 5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. (KJV)

Understanding that these stories come from oral traditions before they are recorded we will take only a second to refer the reader to our "Jesus-Astrotheology" website where the astronomy behind such events and its personification is described beyond any doubt. But for our purposes here we will deal with the events as an assumed historical event. Thus we are led to believe that the New Testament Jesus took the disciples Peter, James and John to a high mountain where "he was transfigured before them" and they saw him talking with Moses and Elias (Elijah). We also see that Peter suggested that the disciples should make three tabernacles, one each for Jesus, Moses and Elijah.

Answer for yourself: Does this bring to mind an earlier story of the Old Testament Moses who also was "transfigured" before his people as well? It should. The Old Testament account is the one that relates how Moses received the Ten Commandments of the Lord on Mount Sinai, the holy mountain in the wilderness.

According to the Bible, for three months the Israelites camped at the foot of Mount Sinai following the Exodus. The Book of Exodus relates for the reader that Moses was summoned to meet the Lord on the mountain to receive tablets of stone bearing the Ten Commandments:

Exod 24:13 13 And Moses rose up, and his minister Joshua: and Moses went up into the mount of God. (KJV)

In Moses absence the Israelites are said to have gathered together all their earrings and made a golden calf and worshipped it. As they descended from Mount Sinai, Moses and Joshua heard the noise of the subsequent celebrations and Joshua commented:

Exod 32:15-18 15 And Moses turned, and went down from the mount, and the two tables of the testimony were in his hand: the tables were written on both their sides; on the one side and on the other were they written. 16 And the tables were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, graven upon the tables. 17 And when Joshua heard the noise of the people as they shouted, he said unto Moses, There is a noise of war in the camp. 18 And he said, It is not the voice of them that shout for mastery, neither is it the voice of them that cry for being overcome: but the noise of them that sing do I hear. (KJV)

Moses was so angry over what had happened while he was away that he cast down the tablets bearing the Ten Commandments and shattered them.

Exod 32:19 19 And it came to pass, as soon as he came nigh unto the camp, that he saw the calf, and the dancing: and Moses' anger waxed hot, and he cast the tables out of his hands, and brake them beneath the mount. (KJV)

The God of Moses had neither shape nor image. In his first encounter with the Lord on the same mountain, before the supposed time of the Exodus, when Moses was attracted by the burning bush that was not consumed by the flames, he heard the voice of the Lord in his mind.

Exod 3:4 4 And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I. (KJV)

Yet on the occasion of his journey to obtain replacement tablets inscribed with the Ten Commandments, we have an indication of a physical presence:

Exod 34:5-6 5 And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD. 6 And the LORD passed by before him... (34:5-6).

Here we have the Lord standing with Moses.

Answer for yourself: Who was this "LORD"?

Answer for yourself: What does the Hebrew word for "LORD" mean?

It can mean two things so we have to choose. The word for Lord in Hebrew (Adon) and Greek (Kyrios) can mean either:

So in reality this "LORD" we find in the text can refer to God or a human being which carries authority. Many interpretations have been presented down through time as to the identity of this "LORD". In this case it has been taken by many scholars and by the apostle Paul as indicating Jesus.

Answer for yourself: How so?

1 Cor 10:1-4 1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. (KJV)

As with the Talmudic references to Jesus, there are strong indications in the New Testament that an assumed historical figure of Jesus was present with the Israelites in the wilderness of Sinai at the time of the Exodus as seen above. This leaves no doubt in the minds of biblical scholars about what Paul was trying to say:

"It is much more likely that Paul here means that the Rock really was Christ...That is to say, he believed that the Messiah was in some form present with the people during this critical period in the wilderness" (R. Hanson, Allegory and Event, p. 79).

Answer for yourself: Could this reference have been a person like an "anointed Pharaoh" who held an official position once in Egypt who was leaving to go to Palestine which again was Egyptian land?

In addition to receiving the new tablets, Moses was told:

Exod 34:18 18 The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep. Seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, as I commanded thee, in the time of the month Abib: for in the month Abib thou camest out from Egypt. (KJV)

Moses again does not appear to have been alone when he came down from the mountain with the two new inscribed tablets for Joshua was with him just as we see in the account in the New Testament where again Moses and Joshua/Jesus are found together again on the mountain. After their descent, Joshua entered the Tabernacle and Moses followed him a number of times, re-emerging to report to the Israelites what was happening inside. The account of these proceedings echoes the story of the Transfiguration found later in the New Testament:

Exod 34:29-35 29 And it came to pass, when Moses came down from mount Sinai with the two tables of testimony in Moses' hand, when he came down from the mount, that Moses wist not that the skin of his face shone while he talked with him. 30 And when Aaron and all the children of Israel saw Moses, behold, the skin of his face shone; and they were afraid to come nigh him. 31 And Moses called unto them; and Aaron and all the rulers of the congregation returned unto him: and Moses talked with them. 32 And afterward all the children of Israel came nigh: and he gave them in commandment all that the LORD had spoken with him in mount Sinai. 33 And till Moses had done speaking with them, he put a vail on his face. 34 But when Moses went in before the LORD to speak with him, he took the vail off, until he came out. And he came out, and spake unto the children of Israel that which he was commanded. 35 And the children of Israel saw the face of Moses, that the skin of Moses' face shone: and Moses put the vail upon his face again, until he went in to speak with him. (KJV)

Answer for yourself: What happens to this Joshua/Jesus? Well we have the Biblical account but are you aware that there are traditions in Egypt that connect this Joshua/Jesus whom we find side by side with Moses on the mount of Sinai with the Pharaoh Tutankamun? Impossible you say? Well we might need to learn more before we dismiss such Egyptian information out of hand having previously seen the unreliability of the Biblical texts all these years during our prior studies. This becomes all the more apparent when we find upon doing such study that the knowledge of astronomy and the path of the sun can be shown to be the personified stories of the Jesus from Matthew chapter 1 through chapter 28. That being the case there is no stone that does not need to be examined or turned over to find the truth behind the "Jesus Story".

Answer for yourself: Is there the remotest chance that our "Jesus Story" could be a combination of personified astronomical myth mixed with a forgotten Egyptian historical events surrounding a group of Pharaohs?

What I want to get to is the reason for these "blurred stories" we have inherited that were taught to us as "divine historical truth" and accepted without question in our Christian Bibles.

Ahmed Osman, an Arabic and well known authority on Egypt and Egyptology, states that it is his belief that it was at this time, before the Exodus of Egypt, when Moses was at Sinai when his son came to him in a move of political-religious reconciliation and it was at this time that the Joshua/Jesus was killed. This is of course the historical Tutankamun. At this time Moses was in Sinai with only a handful of followers and some Midianite allies and the vast majority of Israelites who were followers of Moses/Akhenaten were still in Egypt.

Now again I warn you to not dismiss this outright as a preposterous impossibility; especially when we see what the Jews write about this event in their Talmud! Support for the view that I have expressed as to when the "historical Jesus/Joshua/Pharaoh Tutankamun" met his death is to be be found in rabbinical tradition, which says of the occasion:

"According to. . . (Bava Batra 121a) it is the day on which Moses came down from Mount Sinai with the second tablets of the law" (Rot and Wigoder, The New Standard Jewish Encyclopedia, p. 191).

There are many gaps in our knowledge of Egypt that must be filled in if we are ever to make sense out of this religious confusion and jumbled chronologies as we find in the Biblical record. In order to understand the circumstances, it is necessary to trace at this point the relationship between the Israelites and the royal house of Egypt and to identify some of the most important biblical figures by their Egyptian names. Until we learn to recognize the "Biblical characters" by their Egyptian identities then it will be extremely hard to sort all this out; thus let us get our feet wet by introducing the Egyptian characters that go disguised as "Jews" in the Biblical record.

THE HIDDEN HEBREWS OF EGYPT

I am indebted to Ahmed Osman, David Rohl, Ralph Ellis, Charles Pope and many others for bringing to light this information today. Let us begin with Joseph the Patriarch.

Joseph the Patriarch, of the coat of many colors, who originally brought the tribe of Israel - his family - down to Egypt from Canaan in the fifteenth century B.C., was the grandson of Isaac and the favorite son of Jacob. We saw in a prior article that there is a good chance that Isaac's real father was Tuthmose III, the Napoleon of Egypt, a Pharaoh of the 18th Dynasty. This Joseph we know was sold into slavery in Egypt by his jealous half-brothers and was appointed as a minister early in the reign of the Pharaoh Tuthmose IV (c.1413-1405 B.C.) after, according to the Old Testament, foretelling the seven good years that would be followed by seven years of famine. Joseph, in Egyptian record, is to be identified as Yuya, who served as a minister to both Tuthmose IV and his successor, Amenhotep III [the Biblical Solomon] (c. 1405-1367 B.C.) (A. Osman, Stranger In The Valley Of The Kings). Although there was no evidence to suggest that he might be of royal blood, the tombs of Yuya and his wife, Tuya, were found in the Valley of the Kings in the early years of this century buried among the Pharaohs. This is highly unusual to say the least.

Yuya's position in Egypt meant that he was resident in the royal palaces. The young prince who was to become Amenhotep III (the future King Solomon) met and fell in love with Yuya's infant daughter, Tiye. On the death of his father, Amenhotep III married his sister (as all Pharaohs did to inherit the throne), Sitamun, in order to inherit the throne, as was the Egyptian custom, but shortly afterwards Amenhotep III (the Biblical Solomon) also married Tiye, the daughter of the Hebrew Joseph.

Answer for yourself: Why is this important? It is here we have the mixing of the royal bloodline of the Pharaoh and Egypt with the bloodline of the Hebrews! This marriage of Joseph's daughter, Tiye, to Amenhotep III (the Biblical Solomon), made Tiye rather than Sitamun his Great Royal Wife (queen). Joseph's daughter now was "God's wife". Later, Tiye had a son, Tuthmosis, who disappeared in mysterious circumstances. Her second son, given the name Amenhotep IV (the Biblical Moses), was born, probably in 1394 B.C., at the fortified frontier city of Zarw on the eastern boundaries of Egypt proper. The Biblical records tell us that Moses was half-Hebrew so this fits. Zarw had been presented to Tiye by the king as a kind of summer palace where she could be near to her Israelite relations, who had been allowed to settle at Goshen in the Eastern Delta rather than Egypt itself because Asiatic shepherds had been "anathema" to Egyptians since the successful invasion of Egypt by the Hyksos in the seventeenth century B.C. We see from the Biblical text that when Amenhotep IV (Moses-Akhenaten) was born the ruling Pharaoh gave instructions to the midwives in attendance upon Tiye (Solomon's wife..the mother of Moses) that the child she was awaiting should be killed at birth if it proved to be a boy.

Exod 1:15-16 15 And the king of Egypt spake to the Hebrew midwives, of which the name of the one was Shiphrah, and the name of the other Puah: 16 And he said, When ye do the office of a midwife to the Hebrew women, and see them upon the stools; if it be a son, then ye shall kill him: but if it be a daughter, then she shall live. (KJV)

The reason for the king's hostility was that Tiye was not the legitimate heiress and could not therefore, as was again the Egyptian custom, be accepted as the consort of the State god Amun. Also, as she was of mixed Egyptian-Israelite blood her children could not, by Egyptian custom, be regarded as heirs to the throne. If her son succeeded to the throne, this would be regarded as forming a new dynasty of non-Egyptian, non-Amunite, part-Israelite rulers over Egypt. The midwives did not carry out the king's orders, and on learning - perhaps from the midwives themselves - of the threat to her new-born baby's life, Tiye sent him by water to the safe-keeping of her Israelite relations at nearby Goshen. This is the source of the biblical story of Moses being found by a princess in the bulrushes by the bank of the Nile: Zarw was largely surrounded by lakes and a branch of the Nile and connected by water with Goshen.

{short description of image}Amenhotep IV, the Biblical Moses, spent most of his youth in the Eastern Delta and at Heliopolis where he was educated by the priests of Ra, the ancient Egyptian solar deity, and also absorbed the traditional belief in a God without an image but yet a God which is represented by His many Attributes (Neteru). The Aten, another understanding of the One God he would later introduce to Egypt, is depicted in paintings and sculptures as a circle sending rays that end in hands holding the Egyptian cross, the key of life, to the nostrils of the royal family. This is not a physical representation of the deity, but, like the Christian cross or Jewish star, a symbol, indicating salvation (as in Christianity), not the literal sun. At the Aten temple there was no physical representation to be addressed in prayer any more than the physical Ark of the Covenant, placed in the holy of holies in the Temple of Jerusalem, can be looked upon as an image of God. Nor can the Aten be identified with the sun god as this was either Ra or Atum.

The Bible statese that Moses was brought up in Pharaoh's court.

Acts 7:22 22 And Moses was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and was mighty in words and in deeds. (KJV)

Moses’ position at court would have most definitely ensured his admission into the initiate priesthood. A New Testament reference suggests he “was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and was mighty in words and in deeds”. Philo of Alexandria stated that Moses learned mathematics, geometry, harmonics, poetry, philosophy, Egyptian and Assyrian script and astronomy. This level of learning in those days is clear enough sign that he had joined the closed elite of the priesthood. The former Keeper of Egyptian Antiquities at the British Museum, Sir E.A. Wallis Budge, suggested he might even have risen to the rank of High Priest. If this high rank was indeed bestowed, then Moses would have had access to every branch of specialist historical, religious and scientific knowledge vested in the Temples. This could be said for all the Pharaohs however.

Answer for yourself: Is this where acquired knowledge (Akhenaten, King Tutankamun) could have been misconstrued as sorcery by the later Jews when they recorded the inherited oral traditions?

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The young Amenhotep, whose monotheistic religious ideas were already well developed, offended the Amunite priesthood from the start of the co-regency by building temples to his God, the Aten, at Karnak and Luxor. In a climate becoming increasingly hostile, Tiye eventually persuaded him to leave Thebes and found a new capital for himself at Tell el-Amarna, some two hundred miles to the north and roughly halfway between Thebes and modern Cairo. Amenhotep named his new city Akhenaten - the city of the horizon of the Aten - in honor of his new God. At Amarna his monotheistic ideas underwent further development and he also changed his name from Amenhotep IV to Akhenaten in honor of his deity. The co-regency came to an end upon the death of his father in Akhenaten's Year 12. At the start of his five years of sole rule in 1367 B.C., Akhenaten shut down the temples of the ancient gods of Egypt, cut off all financial support for them and sent the priests home. These actions caused such bitter resentment that in his Year 15 Akhenaten was forced to install his brother, Semenkhkare, as his co-regent at Thebes. This action served only to delay the eventual crisis. Although some Egyptians had been converted to worship of the Aten, Akhenaten was warned in his Year 17 by his minister Aye - who was also his uncle, the second son of Yuya - of the threat of an army rebellion and a plot against the king's life. Aye advised a compromise, allowing the old gods of Egypt to be worshipped alongside the Aten. The king refused. Instead, the Biblical Moses, Akhenaten, abdicated - and fled to the safety of Sinai, accompanied by a small group of followers and taking with him his symbol of pharaonic authority, a staff topped by a brass serpent. Sinai was in those days a stone-mining area. Akhenaten (Moses), on arriving there, built his Tabernacle, the Tent of the Congregation, at the foot of the holy mountain.

His successor, Semenkhkare, did not survive him for long -perhaps only a few days - and was succeeded in his turn by the young king Tutankhamun, the son of Akhenaten (Moses). As can be seen from the scene on the back of the throne seat found in his tomb in the Valley of the Kings, the new Pharaoh followed his father in the worship of the Aten as the one God, but he reopened the ancient temples, allowed the worship of the old gods of Egypt and changed his name to Tutankhamun in honor of the State god Amun.

Answer for yourself: What does the Talmud say about this if anything:

The following text is taken from the Talmud:

On the eve of Passover Jesus was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald went forth and cried, "He is going forth to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy. Anyone who can say anything in his favor let him come forward and plead on his behalf." But since nothing was brought forward in his favor, he was hanged on the eve of Passover. Ulla retorted: Do you suppose he was one for whom a defense could be made? Was he not a mesith (enticer), concerning whom Scripture says, "Neither shall thou spare nor shall thou conceal him?" With Jesus, however, it was different, for he was connected with the government. (Sanhedrin 43a)

Answer for yourself: Connected with the government? How was this Jesus connected with the government?

Answer for yourself: Could this be a reference to the same event and we not know it because again the names were changed?

Tutankhamun ruled for at least nine, and perhaps ten, years (c. 1361-1352 B.C.) before meeting an early death, whereupon he was succeeded by Aye (Ephraim), his great-uncle and the last of the four Amarna kings. Aye ruled for only four years before he disappeared. Nothing much is known about his death as his mummy - if he was ever mummified - was never found, while the tomb he had excavated for himself in the Valley of the Kings, not far from that of Tutankhamun, was usurped by his successor, Horemheb, an army general who secured his seat on the throne by marrying Queen Nefertiti's sister, Mutnezmet.

The bitterness that divided the country at this period is indicated by the actions of Horemheb, who is to be looked upon as the biblical Pharaoh of the Oppression and later Exodus of the followers of Amenhotep IV (the Biblical Moses-Akhenaten). The worship of the Aten was abolished. The names of the Amarna kings were excised from king lists and monuments in a studied campaign to try to remove all traces of their rule from Egyptian memory, and it was forbidden on pain of death even to mention the name of Akhenaten. Therefore, his followers referred to him as Mos, a term used in Egyptian legal cases at this period to signify the rightful son and heir.

The small group of followers who accompanied Moses into exile in Sinai - not to be confused with the later Exodus - included the Amarna priesthood. Among them was Panehesy, who had been the Chief Servitor and Second Priest of the Aten (the Lord) at Akhenaten's temple in Amarna (Osman, The House of the Messiah, p. 57-63).

Answer for yourself: Why is this Panehesy so important? Simply because in the absence of any unforged record of a historical Jesus, either Gentile or Jewish till after 100 A.D., we find in the ancient Jewish tradition a record later recorded in the Jewish Talmud which speaks of the death of a Jesus by Panehesy. The name Panehesy is the equivalent of Phinehas (Pinhas), the priest named in the Jewish Talmud as having killed Jesus.

Answer for yourself: Are you aware that this Phinehas (Pinhas) is mentioned as killing the rebel King and opposer of his father and this religious reforms named Tutankamun?

So here we have the Talmud discussing this Jesus who was killed which many associate with Jesus of Nazareth and Egyptian records referring to a boy Pharaoh who was killed by the same person.

This is a lot to deal with at once:

Answer for yourself: What is the truth about these matters? Well you need to study this material sufficiently to see the truth from the fiction.

We need gather our breath and realize that our study is just beginning into these very important areas that involve Judeo-Christianity. Let me say in closing this article that it is known that the Israelites were in Egypt at the end of the 18th Dynasty and beginning of the 19th. It is possible today to create matching chronologies from Abraham to Moses on the one hand and from Tuthmose III, the 6th ruler of the 18th Dynasty (King David), and Seti I, the second ruler of the 19 Dynasty. Of the 3 periods of time given in the Old Testament (4 generations, 400 years, 430 years), 4 generations for the Israelite Sojourn in Egypt is the correct period of time and the other dates simply unreliable. This means that the descent must have taken place more than 200 centuries later than most scholars believed which explains why efforts to match biblical figures with Egyptian figures has been so protracted; they focused their quest on the wrong era. That is why historical records for the Exodus according to the Biblical record cannot be located since they are off by 200 years. Lastly the 4 Amarna Kings, Akhenaten, Semenkhkare, Tutankamun, and Aye - who ruled during a tumultuous period of Egyptian history when an attempt was made to replace the country's multitude of ancient gods with a monotheistic God, were all descendants of the Hebrew Joseph the Patriarch. We then find in closing that the Exodus was preceded by the ending of the Amarna rule by Horemheb, the last King of the 18th Dynasty. And buried deep within all this intrigue is the death of a Jesus/Joshua which finds its way later into Judaism and Jewish oral tradition and provides the only record for a certain historical Jesus that ever lived; the only problem is that it is not within the time period of the New Testament.

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